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Welcome to Venture Step podcast where we discuss entrepreneurship, industry trends, and the occasional book view. Get ready to level up your productivity and potentially touch up on your Spanish. Today we're going to be discussing Microsoft's recent announcement of their Copilot Plus PCs and what that is. And we will be doing a live demo of OpenAI's Chat GPTO, the conversation feature.

So I've showed that with a couple of family members and they've kind of freaked out a little bit. Eye -opening experience. But before we dive in, my name's Dalton. My background is a bit of a mix of programming, data science and insurance offline. You can find me running, building my side business or loss in a good book. You can listen to podcasts and video and audio format on YouTube. If audio is more your thing, you can find the podcast on Apple podcasts, Spotify, YouTube,

or wherever else you get your podcasts. As stated, we're going to be discussing Microsoft's Copilot announcement and their Copilot Plus PCs and what that means and what they'll be doing and how they're different than normal PCs that they're offering with Windows computers. And then we'll be talking about OpenAI's Chat GPT 4 .0.

with the conversation feature. And later, I think in a couple of weeks, they'll release the screen sharing feature, which is really what I wanted to demo today, but I couldn't get access to it and it's not available to the public yet. So I guess they're still testing it, but I would really like to do that. And Microsoft also shared a similar feature during their co -pilot announcement with their co -pilot plus PCs. Before we get too sidetracked,

Let's discuss Microsoft's copilot announcement with their copilot plus PCs and first let's backtrack and just talk about what is copilot and how is it related to OpenAI. Okay, so it's a long thread of information, but I'm going to try to summarize it in a couple of sentences. Basically, when OpenAI was founded, OpenAI was open and was a nonprofit and

It was backed by people like Elon Musk or I think Jack Dorsey and some other founders of large technology companies that felt that AI is going to be the future, but they wanted it to be managed by the right group. So the board of directors that was put together on OpenAI's board,

were a group of individuals highly concerned about AI and they wanted to develop AI but develop it carefully. And that meant if things were kind of sketchy, they were going to halt the pace of it, stagnate it and try to figure out the right approach. That didn't necessarily bode well with Sam and Sam Albin. Sam Albin's the person who's in charge of OpenAI, if you didn't know.

Anyways, so they had these arguments and then the board fired Sam and then Sam was like, devastated. And he was going to start his own thing. And then Microsoft came in and was like, Hey, how do you feel about just coming to Microsoft? We'll take you. And Sam was like, all right, fine. And then he told some people at OpenAI and then pretty much the majority of the company signed an agreement that

when Sam left to Microsoft, they were going to leave to Microsoft. So I think, I don't know, I think it was like 90 % of the company was down to just leave, upright leave right when Sam left to Microsoft. So on a start date, basically OpenAI would just shift over for free to Microsoft. And then that had a chain reaction with OpenAI because basically,

all of the IP that open has created and what they've been doing is just garbage now because they're not going to be able to get back all of that knowledge, the company knowledge lost from all their engineers leaving and all of their management all in one day. So basically it would just destroy the company and the board was like, okay, hold on guys, let's, let's come together. Let's talk about it.

and figure out a solution. So the solution was they're going to re they rehired Sam as the operating, you know, the CEO of of OpenAI so that he could run OpenAI and do things he wants. The employees agreed to stay. The ones that were going to leave. And it wasn't like they said they were going to leave it. They had a signed document of everyone that was going to leave when Sam left. So it wasn't like something on social media and the go, yeah, I'll leave.

No, they had their name in writing. They published it. And they would republish it when they got new signatures. So it wasn't informal. It's very formal. OK, that being said, the agreement that the board had is, OK, they're going to hire back Sam. The employees that we're going to leave are going to stay. And Microsoft is going to partner with OpenAI. Once that partnership happened, OpenAI then created, or I guess Microsoft's

partnered with OpenAI and created Microsoft Copilot. Microsoft Copilot is pretty much chat GPT three or four, whatever. I think if you pay for the pro, you get four and four And in their recent announcement, they said coming soon will be chat GPT four capabilities in Microsoft Copilot.

Okay, so now you have a good framework of what is going on in the background between OpenAI and Microsoft. And the features set between Microsoft Copilot and OpenAI are pretty much identical because Microsoft is just rebranding, restickering OpenAI's product as Microsoft Copilot.

Okay, now that is all out of the way. What are Microsoft Copilot Plus PCs?

Microsoft's new Surface PC slash new line of Windows PCs is going to be integrated with a new chip. And then this chip is going to handle, I think they said like multi -matrix computation, which is like the math that's required for these AI programs to run or I guess models, not really programs, those models to run. And so they have this new chip.

I think they call it the NPC. And then I think Google has like, they call it the tensor chip TPUs. You've got their own little name, whatever. It's not a big deal. You just got to know they have an AI chip in the computer, whatever they call it, they call it. It's not that important. What is important is that this chip slash the new chips that they're putting in with the Qualcomm, Snapchat and X elite.

is gonna run 58 % faster than the M3 powered MacBook Airs. We haven't been able to independently back up this claim, but I'm pretty sure they wouldn't state that unless they were quite certain. And then the new chip is gonna be able to handle 40 trillion operations per second to handle these.

AI processes. And so what they demoed is like you could be able to handle the chips was be able to handle multiple concurrent operations at once without that affecting performance and efficiency. So when I say performance, it's like your computer is not going to lag. When I say efficiency, that means that your computer isn't going to overheat and lose power, not lose power, but lose battery power like faster than normal.

And they said that their AI chip is not gonna take up that much power. It's very efficient in the way it runs, which is great. And they also said that it's gonna have up to 30 hours of battery life. And I think they said 26 hours of video playback. And they compared it actively with a MacBook Air and...

It won by quite a bit of margins on just video playback and some other tests. They had their previous Surface, the new Surface, which is the Copilot Plus PC. And then they had the MacBook 3 or sorry, the MacBook Air M3. And they had a side by side comparison of those three laptops and.

It's an internal demo because it's Microsoft, but yeah, Microsoft's PCs won the copilot PCs.

Okay, so what are some weird things that they showed? One of the capabilities they showed, which kind of resembles malware was they have this feature that's gonna be exclusive to Copilot plus PCs, which is called Recall and Recall basically caches and I'll explain everything, but it'll just basically caches information.

on your screen and then later on you can ask copilot, Hey, like, can you pull up that email from Sandra on Wednesday? Or can you pull up the, you know, the last email I had with Sandra about, I don't know, blue tennis balls.

Open, I almost said open at Copilot. Copilot will be able to know where that email is because they'll be able to go into its memory and see where things are. And to do that, it's basically taking a screenshot every five seconds of your screen.

Whenever your screen changes, it takes a screenshot and then on your screen every five seconds it takes a screenshot and then it caches that information. So it puts it in memory on device and it encrypts it. So theoretically it's only on your device and you are the only one who can have access to it.

If that's true or not, I don't know. But it's basically malware on your system, but it's used as a feature because that's what a malware would do. It would record all your keystrokes or it would record your screen constantly and take a lot of screenshots to be able to see, okay, go to this website and be able to take personal information from you. This is using the same thing, I guess, but...

reversing it into a benefit to you to where instead of it having consequences to you and your family, it's a benefit where you can pull up, can you, can you, can you pull up Jack's photos that we took as a family? The ones he's smiling in and it should be able to find it.

I think that's nice, I guess. I don't think people are gonna be cool with it right away. I think it's gonna be one of those things where you're having a really hard time finding something, like recalling something four months ago, and you know what it is, but you don't know where you put it, a file or a photo or some item that you're just troubled and you need it and you can't find it. And you fall into any situations where,

you spent 20 hours, all right, that's a crazy exaggeration. Let's say you spent seven hours finding your, whatever you're finding, your trinket. When you could have just had Microsoft Recall enabled. And those are the points where like,

people will be open to having their screen constantly monitored and screenshotted. I don't think right away people are going to be very receptive to this thing. And I don't know if a lot of people know if this is basically malware, but as a benefit to the user, I thought it was nuts. A lot of people didn't like it on the internet.

And rightfully so, like how do you know for sure that no one else has access to it? How do you know that it's only on device? How do you prevent bad actors from getting access to this? I mean, it's encrypted, but you know, I don't know how strong the encryption is. All these other things, like if you got access to that, you would basically have all of a person's digital footprint.

for the lifetime that they had their computer. I didn't hear anything about them wiping the cache constantly. Maybe they only keep it for a year or something like that. But even a year's information of a screenshot every five seconds and a screenshot every time your screen changes, that's everything. There is no, there is no, there's no missing gaps there. And what's to prevent, what's to prevent?

you getting, I mean, I guess it's a different situation, but say that you're wrongly accused of a bad crime. What's to prevent the government or some private enterprise that specializes in hacking to hack your computer and get access to this cache of all your all your stuff, all your files, your websites, you go to what you type in. It's kind of scary.

I don't, I don't know if I'm, I'm driving with that one. They had some other cool features that are similar to Google and Google's photos where they'll edit photos for you, remove the background.

When I say edit photos, like they'll make it black and white or they'll remove the background or maybe unblur it all on your device, which is nice. That's something that Google's had for a while. And I think Microsoft is catching up. I don't know how relevant it is because I think a lot of people take their photos and they're on their phone. They, you take your photos on your phone or your

phone storage is hooked up to your phone and your computer at the same time. So the offering that Microsoft has isn't as strong when it comes to storing photos because a lot of people are not storing their photos in OneDrive. They'll store it in iCloud, Google Photos, one of those really to be honest. This is more convenient.

So photo editing on Windows is available with Copilot's AI editing tools. How used they're gonna be, or utilized they're gonna be, I'm not sure. I don't think very much. Okay, with all that talked about, pricing. It's pretty much gonna be the same price pretty close to it as a MacBook Air.

So the starting price of the Microsoft Surface Pro 9 with 5G and the Snapdragon X Elite chip starts at $1 ,249, which is comparable to the price of the 13 -inch MacBook Air M3.

So it's a direct competitor of a, an elite offering with windows from Microsoft directly competing with Apple. Cause Apple at the moment doesn't have any AI features and Apple doesn't look like they're working on any seem like they were going to partner with open AI at one point. I think Sam met with Tim.

to cook. And I think they had a potential meeting. They also met with, I think Tim also met with some car, recently for dinner or lunch. That was someone took a photo of that. So maybe Apple goes to Google route. I know that Google pays them an exorbitant amount of money not to make a search browser. So I know,

that there is Google search, there is Chrome, which is the web browser, but then Google is a search browser. And what Google is doing is they're paying them billions a year to not make a search browser. You can have a web browser, which is Safari, but Google is the default web browser, because many people, not web browser, search browser.

Cause many people that use Apple products aren't going to go in there and switch the browser or the web, the search function that that's being used. They're just not a lot of Apple users either are highly technical or not very technical.

people like Apple products because they're easy to use, not because they're super customizable. So pretty much whatever users are given, they're just going to use that unless there's something that it's inconvenient about.

With that, I think Google and Apple could get together with something because Microsoft has OpenAI. And I don't know if Microsoft is going to be okay with Apple utilizing or leveraging OpenAI's IP when Microsoft's doing the same thing. Cause that kind of, kind of throws a wrench into Microsoft's plans of competing with.

Apple on this extra piece. Like not only are computers faster right now, but they also have all these AI features that come with it. And so we have an offering where computers aren't as expensive. And then we have this elite offering that competes directly with Apple, which have been killing us with their silicon chips, their M1, M2, M3 have been

Our computers have been competitive. We recognize that. So now we've made Microsoft Copilot plus PCs that are faster than M3 chips, have more battery life and same price by the way.

And it has AI stuff.

And many people right now, AI is a little bit more niche. It's not necessarily front and foremost a thing that people are using, but I know that it's becoming a little bit more integrated in people's day -to -day lives.

Over time, it's going to be something that you use every day. I think within a couple of years, possibly. I know that Microsoft's really pushing copilot and many people use work PCs that are windows. I know in some of my meetings, people are using copilot to.

I think transcribe and then turn that transcription into notes for them. And then they send it out to the team, which is a little bit different than normal because people normally don't do that with Microsoft Copilot.

Okay, enough of that. Let's move over to a separate topic of.

Open AIs.

ChachiPT4 Omni or O and Omni is, the O stands for Omni and Omni stands for multi -channel. And so it's basically saying, okay, this is the model that we have that is multimodal and can handle text, voice, photos, whatever you throw at me, I can handle it. So that's kind of what they're trying to do with their O. That's what the O means. Okay, so let me see if I could share my screen.

I can only share the web, tire screen.

Let's set up screen one. Let's share. Let's see if we can, this might be good. Man, I'm really struggling here. Okay, so let's just share this screen, because it's already open, and it's got some screenshots or whatever nonsense on the desktop. Okay, so I'm sharing this screen. Let me bring over. Man, I wish this was a little bit more smooth. I was gonna plan on sharing a different screen. Okay.

So if you're listening and not viewing the video, I have ChatGPT on a different screen and we have the app open and we're gonna engage in a conversation. So let me engage.

So it's loading up.

Okay, so I'm gonna interrupt the AI. Hey, we're in a live demo for a podcast episode and we just want to demo some of your features. One thing that we'd like to see is live translation to English to Spanish starting now.

I don't know whether or not I'm going to go to the mall today because, well, I don't know if my friends are available. They might be working.

Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. Things are more fun when your friends are available. So let's give, let's give one a call.

I wasn't done divvily that you were Spanish.

Okay, let's move on to something else.

Can we talk about how to, can we talk about how should we go about sending emails as a cold call for podcast guests?

explain why you think they'd be a -

you'd like to discuss and make it easy for them to respond. Would you like a sample email draft? Yes, please. Thank you.

In our episodes, we aim to mention any unique. I think that's enough. One thing that I would like to ask is, can you research a hundred intro tech companies and give me their website so I can go on there and research whether I want to do a cold call email or not really cold, a cold email to them, requesting them to be a podcast guest. Thank you.

One mango visa.

The live demo is ending now, but I really appreciate all the work that you did and I hope that the listeners are interested in learning more.

Alright, thanks.

All right, so that was the interactive feature that you can conversate with the AI and it's interactive and shows some humor. I did this other voice, but there was a controversial issue with the original demoed female voice. It sounded like Scarlett Johansson and Scarlett Johansson was part of this movie called Her.

and Sam Altman.

before the demo tweeted her. And then after the demo and even in the demo, people were asking like, hey, is this a collaboration with Scarlett Johansson? Because it really sounds like her. It sounds like her and it sounds like her from the movie.

because she was the person who demoed, or not demoed, my gosh, she was the person who was the voice actor for her AI.

And apparently Sam had reached out to have her, these hers are really getting confusing, to have Scarlett Johansson.

partner with OpenAI to train the voice and his idea, he wanted Scarlett Johansson to be the voice actor who trained.

ChachiBT4O. And so Sam reached out over a year ago to help this event go smoothly with using her voice. And he was requesting approval to use her voice. And she said no. She's like, this is weird. I'm not doing it. Whatever she said, I have no idea. But she strongly denied it, apparently. And then the next thing was Sam reached out again.

I think a month or two before the event, and then asked if she could reconsider. And she then said, no, I'm not doing it. And then during the demo, shortly after, people, I guess, her friends, Scarlett's friends were texting her and saying, hey, like, did you do that stuff with OpenAI? It sounds like it's you. And she's like, wait, what?

And so she listens to the demo and.

she was all upset, she made a statement, like a legal statement, like from her lawyers. OpenAI pulled that voice type, I forgot what they called it, but pulled that voice type, because you could click a couple of them. I think I have like, I don't know, Corey or something, I don't know. It's not important. Anyways, so Scarlett Johansson put out that legal statement, and then,

Opening eyes says, well, it's weird that it sounds like her. It wasn't our intention, and that's the first time we've heard about it. Like, no one said that before. Like, it's so weird that it sounds like Scarlett Johansson. Like, what a coincidence. And then they said we have no interest or.

something like that, we have no interest in modeling our voices after public figures and blah, blah, blah. And that's when Scarlett Johansson said, well, you guys asked me to do it twice. And then I said, no, twice. And this person sounds like me, like this AI sounds like me. And Sam tweeted her before the demo. So the whole thing is just controversial.

because it seemed like they used her voice, even though they said they didn't use her voice, to train this voice type, or one of the Chat GPT 4 .0 voice types, without her permission and with her explicitly saying no, at that point it's better to not ask her, train, I guess train the voice like closely.

And then be like, well, I don't know. But and I don't suggest you do that, by the way. But it really puts opening on a bad spot because they asked her twice. She said no twice. And then they're like, all right, well, I guess I guess you forced her hand. We're just going to do it anyways. And she's like, what the heck, guys? So I thought that was interesting. And they pulled they pulled that voice type. But it kind of reminds me of a.

episode in the show called Black Mirror. Black Mirror, let's see. Mirror episode, I think it's episode three episodes. It's season one. Season three.

Cause I'm watching black mirror. Okay. So I don't think this is it. All right. Well it's in season one and the episode is about this person who is watching stream Barry, which is the shell company of Netflix in this show. Like it's like the make believe the make believe Netflix and this make believe Netflix.

in their terms and conditions force users to.

opt in to this reality TV show of themselves and all the stuff that they're doing. And they do it in a bad light. They say like, everyone, everyone hates Jill and here are the reasons. And it's this whole just at that day, it does everything you do in the show, like in real time, somehow. I mean, it's a show, so you don't have to.

think too far into it. But basically it destroys people's lives at the benefit of streamberry and then they use your likeness without your permission.

And when they got called out about it in the show, or I want to say in the show, it's really one episode when they got called out, they're like, well, it's in this, it's in the terms and conditions. Like we can do whatever we want. And right here, you said that we could use your likeness to create reality TV shows in a positive or negative manner. And we chose the negative ones. And then they got asked about it. Like, what about the good things I do? Well, they were like, well, people don't really care about that. That they really, they really get enraged and.

and emotionally invested when there's negativity and it brings up engagement. So our profits are up, everything is up and we're getting awards. So that's why we're doing everything negative for these reality TV shows.

That isn't the same thing, but that's what it reminds me of. It's like, okay, well.

I don't really care what you say. Your voice is on the internet. We can use it no matter what. It was similar with TikTok. TikTok was using popular actors' voices, actors, actresses, their voices to make these voiceovers. And so you would type in the text and then it would do the voiceover for you.

They didn't have permission to use their voice and they couldn't do anything about it because it's like some company in China. I think they stopped doing that now that they're more mainstream. But when it first came out, you could use like Morgan Freeman's voice or you could use Ryan Reynolds and they didn't have permission for those features. They just did it and there's nothing stopping.

someone from taking information that's on the internet that's openly available like these movies or

videos that you have, talk shows, interviews, taking that, downloading the audio, and then training AI to become a little version of you. Similar to a Black Mirror episode where they have actors, not actors, they have AI agents acting on your behalf for dating. And so an AI agent will talk to another AI agent and it would mimic you or her.

him and him, her and her. And then these interactions would be recorded and your AI agent would talk to many AI agents and they would all be dating and they'd find the best match for you and then they'd let you know.

Obviously it didn't turn out that well on the episode. Bumble is talking about, I think it's called AI concierge. And so your AI is supposed to date hundreds of other AIs that are a profile of you and an imitation of yourself. And it's supposed to find your best match without you being involved in all the nitty gritty small talk and getting to know people.

That in itself just seems like a crazy absurd concept and I hope that AI doesn't go that direction. I don't think that's the right one. If we take any direction, I know for a fact that's probably not the direction that we want to take.

There's not much to say about those things, but I just would be careful with pushing things too far and allowing things to not fall as they may. And I think people will rightfully push back on that recall feature. I think people push back on the bumble AI concierge that was announced by, I think, the CEO.

I mean, it was supposed to be some, some cool feature. Like people are like, wait, hold on. This is literally, there's literally a black episode, a black mirror episode about this. And it didn't turn out very well. Why, why are you suggesting this feature? This is, this is not okay. And I don't know if they're moving forward with it or not, but okay. So we talked about open AI and they're chat to BT four.

feature of their conversational AI where we got to talk about podcasts, cold emails. It looked up some companies for me and gave me their website. It didn't give me 100, but it gave me 20. So that's good enough for me to get started. And we talked about...

our live translation, which is pretty nuts. Duolingo's stock was crushed by this live that day. Their stock just plummeted. We did English to Spanish. In the demo, they think they did English to Italian, from Italian back to English, so they could have a two -person conversation. I don't have two people with me, so it was just me, myself, and AI. So I did English to Spanish.

to do live translation. I also had Google Translator running while on my phone while that was going on. And so the translation was pretty accurate. I could verify it. And I know some Spanish, not that much. So that's why I was asking simple things so I could kind of follow like, okay, is this really off or is it close enough? But I'm not very good at Spanish. I can speak a little. So.

Then we talked about Microsoft's Copilot Plus PCs, what that is, what that entails. We also had a bit of dialogue with Microsoft and OpenAI's partnership.

We kind of discussed this open arms race between Google, Apple and Microsoft and how they're trying to leverage AI and where does Apple playing in this whole role? Not really sure, but I'm sure they're not just sitting on their thumbs.

What did you think about the recent computer announcement of the hardware from Microsoft? What are your thoughts about the episode and and what are things that you enjoyed that we spoke about today? If you have any opinions, of course, leave them on the YouTube channel comments or on Facebook or Instagram. You'll find me if you just type in Venture Step, you'll find the profile. I don't know the exact username off the top of my head. I think Instagram is like Venture .Step.

And then I think Facebook is like venture underscore step. Podcast, I think. All right. I appreciate everyone coming in today. Thank you for listening and see you some other time next week. Tomorrow. Who knows? But I know for sure that I'll have an episode out next week. All right. Have a great day, night, morning, wherever you are in this world. Bye.